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This is one of my favourite pieces @Appleblossom ....
It is called "Moss Roses" by Pierre Auguste Renior.
@Former-Member @Kurra @Zoe7 @Smc @Waterlily
22-02-2017 12:25 PM
22-02-2017 12:25 PM
@Owlunar wrote:Things have changed in the church now @Phoenix_Rising
In the past things were dealt with by the vicar, priest, pastor - whatever the name - and this was inadequate and the police had no jurisdiction
Now the vicar etc can't deal with these serious issues - there is a body in the churches set up to deal with them.
Which is much better
Dec
@Owlunar I would like to think things are different, but I'm not so sure they are. Are religious leaders mandatory reporters? I have a feeling they aren't.
22-02-2017 12:34 PM
22-02-2017 12:34 PM
I think that is a really pertinent point @Phoenix_Rising .....
22-02-2017 03:13 PM
22-02-2017 03:13 PM
@Kurra Your whole personality has been been helpful for me to WANT TO STAY. From baroque flutes to MI activism.
Right on .. @Phoenix_Rising
Pell was gabbling about the seal of the confessional.
There are many ideals within church theologies .. that are not ideal on earth .. but lets at least bring the church kicking and screaming into the 21 st century.
Thinking this Thursday is the time for me to report .. keep me to it.
Had an audition last night .. so now have official acceptance in 3 good non church choirs .. where I know familiar faces .. cos there is lots of crossover in the choir world ... and is good for my musical ego .. and gives me a vigorous outlet.
but my belief in the importance of GOOD liturgical practise has been dashed .. by the experiences leading up to my last christmas eve
22-02-2017 03:33 PM
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22-02-2017 04:54 PM
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I understand @Kurra
I was grateful to be 3 doors from kid's school and grateful they had coats etc ..
I have had to do a major sift and sort job first tho. Cost a l lot of time money & effort.
For me yearning love family creativity are all interwoven.
My personality is actually fairly optimistic rather than depressive, more a rose coloured glasses type .. to a point of folly .. I can be optimistic and people pick up all my pain from body language .. and I send a mixed message ... not really a grass is greener on the other side type .. either
I accept my diagnosis of MAJOR DEPRESSIVE DISORDER with a hefty grain of salt. 2 years earlier I would have seemed nothing like that at all .. but after a 2- year period of many sudden deaths .. it was just on a script .. even the pdoc was smart enough not put a lable on me ....but I was breast feeding .. tho he had not even asked me ..I saw it as not really about me but about run of suicides and other deaths .. around me .. so it seemed more of a "clinical" response to "my message" at the time than a valid statement about my personality.
I can get argumentative about the "count your blessings" line tho .. a friendly argy bargy if you will ..lol .. eg., I dont believe quantification of such things .. adds up to true gratitude .. its about putting things into practise .. which is much more where I am at.
Love Ya
23-02-2017 10:23 AM
23-02-2017 10:23 AM
I am really cautious about counting blessings - it has it's place - but maybe after we have counted our trials - which could be more informative - first. Our blessings might make sense when we realise the tough bits first - like
The roof's leaking - but ah yes - we do have a roof - but there's a hole in the bucket - yes Eliza - and when it is not raining we can fix the bucket and the hole in the roof
Maybe that's stupid but then I am unique in that area
When we find the tough stuff happening with monotonous regularity it can be "More of the same - no - I have had e-bl^^dy-nough - this reaction is normal - heaven help us if we cannot express our frustration and heart-ache - life can be a trial
So anyway @Appleblossom - I finally got onto the Melbourne Juvenile Justice Centre and heard good news - I had a lot of questions that were answered and there are suitable but ordinary people from the community who are not attached to any relevant bodies do go to the centre about once a month and talk to the boys and girls there - and it is possible I could do this
I have found the contacts to work this out - and I will follow this up - hopefully after I have finished my chores after I have finished my posts here.
It's not easy to go to the Centre - but why should I do anything easy - my heart rests easier about confronting this issue - and not waiting for someone else - after all - who might that someone else be
All the best with your efforts Apple - I know this is darned hard for you too
Dec
23-02-2017 10:39 AM
23-02-2017 10:39 AM
I don't know about all branches of the church but I know that the Anglican Church leaders are mandated
And we don't have to be mandated to report either - I have done a little of that myself - and also - in early life - there was no mandating - people got away with things then that are sometimes being dealt with now and some maybe never
But when it comes to the confessional I don't know - to me - if someone confesses a crime to their priest then it's too much for the priest to carry on his soul - and the seal of the confessional has to be broken - but that is up to the individual
But I am not a Catholic and do not understand that system
I hope things improve Phoenix - we can only work on the future and find out these things for ourselves
For me I have family connections in the church - and know in Tasmania things are being dealt with - I hope the outcome is beneficial - but I know the stress on some of my family members
Change is always hard and there are people who don't want their own boat rocked - that's a part of the story and a hard one
Dec
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