Life can be a Pain

[Appleblossom]

Yes we have to be careful @Former-Member @Wanderer @Shaz51 @utopia @Decadian not to ingest substances that are not helpful.

but some doctors are less inclined to order many blood tests.  Or to take time to talk all these things through properly.  Medical imaging is a great thing but not equally available to all.

Objectivity (or lack of) of medical professionals is now open to research which is a good thing ...

Bio availability is also a thing.

[Shaz51]

Or to take time to talk all these things through properly.-- I agree @Appleblossom , been there xx

[utopia]

@Appleblossom My son whinges all the time about my products being scent free. He doesn't care and just puts gel in his hair and then complains when I can't have him in my car. My sister keeps buying him these products. One day i'm just going to throw them all out.

[utopia]

taking suplements without your body needing them can cause a bit of harm @Shaz51.

I agree we should always check with our doctor. And that goes for herbal remedies too. A number of them interfer with other meds.

[Appleblossom]

Getting proper medical care is still an issue for me. Not something I take for granted and something that I have had to be smart about.

Eg One of the reasons I have found the forums so useful is that I get an idea of the level of care that others recieve and so I can then raise my expectations a bit.  WHat level of talking down to, getting the flick, being not fully believed and so things properly investigated ... all those things are big issues in my family and for me.

lol @utopia about sons ... my son tries to please gf .. who is anti smelly products .. she always comments on other people's products etc and has a finely honed nose so we hear a lot about it ...... so he has finally eased off on his use ... the thing is ... I have never smelt him be odorous ... not big in the exercise department ... I tried to explain that to him ... he does not actually need much ... anyway .. I guess it was supposed to be a sign of "care" the purchase of personal products ... maybe like white bread ... once was thought to be purer.

[utopia]

lol @Appleblossom. Male scented products are so much stronger than female scented products. It used to be i needed to avoid women when out and about. Now i need to avoid men and women.

My sons girlfriend came around yesterday morning. Because she staye at a friends house the night before, she forgot about the no smells policy in my house. She stunk out my sons room. Seriously zi would prefer if they had BO.

[Appleblossom]

Now that you mention it I also think BO might be better.  @utopia

Ah dear .... what would happen to capitalism if we stopped buying product.

[utopia]

What would happenn if we stopped buying products @Appleblossom

The world would be a better place

[Owlunar]

@Appleblossom@utopia

Hi girls - I love the subject - I think many women are slaves to the chemicals they use everyday without thinking most of them are unnecessary and wasteful - I remember good old Cold Cream that I used to clean my minimally used make-up and now - I don't wear make-up and stick to a hair-spray. male deoderant and ordinary soap - made of  natural products - and feel overcome with other women's perfume at times - because I don't use these products I am unused to them and find them excessive

We would get used to BO as long as people washed often enough - I am not going to even imagine how often but one stink I cannot endure is someone who is living rough - it stirs memories of my son when he was living rough and I know homelessness is often not a choice - in my son's case it was but that was really overpowering

Awgh - we would probably get used to that too if necessary

I remember a exerpt from The Grapes of Wrath. The Okies were living pretty rough and it wasn't until they lived at the Government Camp that they notices they would "stink" if they hadn't showered - they had got used to themselvles and each other

Imagine - yes - think about it - if we did not by these products it could change the ecomony - I like to use the minimum - if necessary I could use less - if I was visiting someone and knew that like Utopia that the world was full of allergins I would not wear anything on my skin that would aggravate allergies - it's a rare but decent sign of respect

Yes Apple - we do need social interaction - we need to know what other people experience and the sharing of ideas is one thing that makes us unique among the great apes - and they have social order and disorder as well - but humankind need each other to help us find our place in society

All of this in half a day - wow - we can really move when we do open ourselves to share

Dec

[Owlunar]

Hi @Former-Member

Great to see you here - I was here for a few hours during the afternoon and didn't leave this thread so I don't know how things are going for you right now

How did it go when you went out for your Dad's birthday - I hope you both had a good time and your back pain wasn't to intense

Have you had results from your MRI yet? I am wondering how all that went.

Dec